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		<title>By: ronploof</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14033</link>
		<dc:creator>ronploof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point of my post was to call out an obvious problem with the article--a biased opinion, which violates the rule that journalists present as a way to differentiate themselves from bloggers. Had this piece been labeled as OpEd, I likely wouldn&#039;t have been motivated to write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike.</p>
<p>The point of my post was to call out an obvious problem with the article&#8211;a biased opinion, which violates the rule that journalists present as a way to differentiate themselves from bloggers. Had this piece been labeled as OpEd, I likely wouldn&#39;t have been motivated to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: ronploof</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14032</link>
		<dc:creator>ronploof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the detailed comment!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand what you are talking about with regards to the legion of fans, but is that Gary&#039;s fault? Somehow, he has managed to make some sort of connection with those who follow his work--such that they feel like they know him personally. To me, this phenomenon is something to study, to learn from his success.&lt;br&gt;As for &quot;jumping the shark,&quot; only time will tell. But either way, we&#039;ll all have the opportunity to learn from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks for the detailed comment!</p>
<p>I understand what you are talking about with regards to the legion of fans, but is that Gary&#39;s fault? Somehow, he has managed to make some sort of connection with those who follow his work&#8211;such that they feel like they know him personally. To me, this phenomenon is something to study, to learn from his success.<br />As for &#8220;jumping the shark,&#8221; only time will tell. But either way, we&#39;ll all have the opportunity to learn from it.</p>
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		<title>By: ronploof</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14017</link>
		<dc:creator>ronploof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The point of my post was to call out an obvious problem with the article--a biased opinion, which violates the rule that journalists present as a way to differentiate themselves from bloggers. Had this piece been labeled as OpEd, I likely wouldn&#039;t have been motivated to write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike.</p>
<p>The point of my post was to call out an obvious problem with the article&#8211;a biased opinion, which violates the rule that journalists present as a way to differentiate themselves from bloggers. Had this piece been labeled as OpEd, I likely wouldn&#39;t have been motivated to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: ronploof</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14016</link>
		<dc:creator>ronploof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the detailed comment!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand what you are talking about with regards to the legion of fans, but is that Gary&#039;s fault? Somehow, he has managed to make some sort of connection with those who follow his work--such that they feel like they know him personally. To me, this phenomenon is something to study, to learn from his success.&lt;br&gt;As for &quot;jumping the shark,&quot; only time will tell. But either way, we&#039;ll all have the opportunity to learn from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Thanks for the detailed comment!</p>
<p>I understand what you are talking about with regards to the legion of fans, but is that Gary&#39;s fault? Somehow, he has managed to make some sort of connection with those who follow his work&#8211;such that they feel like they know him personally. To me, this phenomenon is something to study, to learn from his success.<br />As for &#8220;jumping the shark,&#8221; only time will tell. But either way, we&#39;ll all have the opportunity to learn from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Natelson</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14015</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Natelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read both your article &amp; the accompanying Business Week article.  While I agree with you on the merits of social media, and am not as aware of the &quot;nuts &amp; bolts&quot; inherent in the various techniques, I took from the Business Week article simply the idea that we&#039;re still in a basic &quot;discovery phase&quot; and that the possibility exists for companies and people to either underuse or misuse the technology.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;I didn&#039;t perceive the article as negatively as you did, but rather as more &quot;cautionary.&quot;  I think the magazine was essentially saying &quot;don&#039;t drink too much Kool Aid&quot; &amp; think that social media can change the world.  Business Week may be wrong, as you have convinced me, but the process of change will undoubtedly be messy with many casualties along the way.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;I hope to order your book later this week &amp; look forward to reading it.  Thanks for all your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read both your article &#038; the accompanying Business Week article.  While I agree with you on the merits of social media, and am not as aware of the &#8220;nuts &#038; bolts&#8221; inherent in the various techniques, I took from the Business Week article simply the idea that we&#39;re still in a basic &#8220;discovery phase&#8221; and that the possibility exists for companies and people to either underuse or misuse the technology.  </p>
<p>I didn&#39;t perceive the article as negatively as you did, but rather as more &#8220;cautionary.&#8221;  I think the magazine was essentially saying &#8220;don&#39;t drink too much Kool Aid&#8221; &#038; think that social media can change the world.  Business Week may be wrong, as you have convinced me, but the process of change will undoubtedly be messy with many casualties along the way.</p>
<p>I hope to order your book later this week &#038; look forward to reading it.  Thanks for all your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ashhurst</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14014</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ashhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just reading through the responses I see the primary problem. I want to vomit in my mouth every time I see someone post crap like &quot;I&#039;m friends w/ so and so.&quot; The social media space becomes more and more murky every day simply because so many bogus social media guru&#039;s come out of the wood works trying to make a name for themselves by circle jerking each other off. They create social media groups and pat each other on the back and tell each other how awesome they all are. Then the groups attach themselves to a social media celebrity like a leech and suck every possible ounce of credibility they can from that relationship.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take Gary V for example. Dude has tremendous energy and made some great (dare I say brilliant?) moves to grow his business and his personal brand. But now he&#039;s cashing in on that celebrity by letting all these no name snake oil salesmen co-brand themselves in their local communities with him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyone that&#039;s worth their weight in marketing knows what happens when a brand over leverages itself by co-branding with anyone/anything. The brand gets tarnished. Can you really blame people for wondering if Gary sells snake oil when he allows so many snake oil salesmen to claim him as a colleague and chum? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my community alone I see 10-15+ people name dropping Gary&#039;s brand as a close personal colleague because they&#039;re pimping his book and he&#039;s doing such a damn good job of making people think he really does give a sheit about them. They post pictures of themselves with him, they carry along their personally signed books, they tell stories about hanging out with Gary and then they spew social media garbage to clients and small conferences all over the community. Based on the way they talk I have to assume that Gary has given his personal seal of approval to these people and yet they have little to no idea what they&#039;re talking about. They are full of BS and they&#039;re using up every little bit of Gary&#039;s real world street cred. He&#039;s overexposed and about to the jump the shark if he&#039;s not careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading through the responses I see the primary problem. I want to vomit in my mouth every time I see someone post crap like &#8220;I&#39;m friends w/ so and so.&#8221; The social media space becomes more and more murky every day simply because so many bogus social media guru&#39;s come out of the wood works trying to make a name for themselves by circle jerking each other off. They create social media groups and pat each other on the back and tell each other how awesome they all are. Then the groups attach themselves to a social media celebrity like a leech and suck every possible ounce of credibility they can from that relationship.</p>
<p>Take Gary V for example. Dude has tremendous energy and made some great (dare I say brilliant?) moves to grow his business and his personal brand. But now he&#39;s cashing in on that celebrity by letting all these no name snake oil salesmen co-brand themselves in their local communities with him.</p>
<p>Anyone that&#39;s worth their weight in marketing knows what happens when a brand over leverages itself by co-branding with anyone/anything. The brand gets tarnished. Can you really blame people for wondering if Gary sells snake oil when he allows so many snake oil salesmen to claim him as a colleague and chum? </p>
<p>In my community alone I see 10-15+ people name dropping Gary&#39;s brand as a close personal colleague because they&#39;re pimping his book and he&#39;s doing such a damn good job of making people think he really does give a sheit about them. They post pictures of themselves with him, they carry along their personally signed books, they tell stories about hanging out with Gary and then they spew social media garbage to clients and small conferences all over the community. Based on the way they talk I have to assume that Gary has given his personal seal of approval to these people and yet they have little to no idea what they&#39;re talking about. They are full of BS and they&#39;re using up every little bit of Gary&#39;s real world street cred. He&#39;s overexposed and about to the jump the shark if he&#39;s not careful.</p>
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		<title>By: elizabethhannan</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabethhannan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the breakdown. I read the article this evening and consider Brogan and Garyvee both friends. The article I found infuriating. &lt;br&gt;I think most people forget to be &quot;objective&quot; in many situations especially when it comes to what they read. Gary and Brogan always put their best foot forward and do I dare to say Mr. Baker may just want a little attention??? Unfortunately, if this is quality of work BuisnessWeek publishes I see now problem watching them die on the magazine rack.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best wishes,&lt;br&gt;EH&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jivefromthehive.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jivefromthehive.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the breakdown. I read the article this evening and consider Brogan and Garyvee both friends. The article I found infuriating. <br />I think most people forget to be &#8220;objective&#8221; in many situations especially when it comes to what they read. Gary and Brogan always put their best foot forward and do I dare to say Mr. Baker may just want a little attention??? Unfortunately, if this is quality of work BuisnessWeek publishes I see now problem watching them die on the magazine rack.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />EH<br /><a href="http://www.jivefromthehive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jivefromthehive.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: mikepascucci</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14012</link>
		<dc:creator>mikepascucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are Snake Oil salesman out there, but the 2 mentioned in the article are FAR from who Mr Baker should be talking about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are Snake Oil salesman out there, but the 2 mentioned in the article are FAR from who Mr Baker should be talking about.</p>
<p>Mike P</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jordan</title>
		<link>http://ronamok.com/2009/12/07/crying-into-ones-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-14011</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tell &#039;em, Ron! Right on the mark - once again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tell &#39;em, Ron! Right on the mark &#8211; once again.</p>
<p>&#8211;Tom</p>
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		<title>By: sytaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>sytaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being good at Sales, and being professional isn&#039;t Snake Oil.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Spamming, evangelising and over promising without reality.  These things are Snake Oil.  Selling an ebook on how to signup to auto follow books for example...  That is snake oil.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Usable, actionable steps, and daily content is not snake oil.  It&#039;s just stomach churning talented, and generates jealousy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being good at Sales, and being professional isn&#39;t Snake Oil.</p>
<p>Spamming, evangelising and over promising without reality.  These things are Snake Oil.  Selling an ebook on how to signup to auto follow books for example&#8230;  That is snake oil.</p>
<p>Usable, actionable steps, and daily content is not snake oil.  It&#39;s just stomach churning talented, and generates jealousy.</p>
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